Between Here + There

Between Here + There

You don't have to have it figured out to take the next step.

Between Here & There is a podcast about life pivots — the career you walked away from, the version of yourself you outgrew, the season where the old map stopped working and the new one hadn't shown up yet. Hosted by Brian and Michael, two friends in West Michigan who left traditional careers to build more meaningful lives, and who are still very much in the middle of figuring that out.

Every episode is an honest conversation about what change actually feels like from the inside. Sometimes it's the two of us talking through what we're navigating right now — the doubt, the money questions, the small wins, the mornings that don't go to plan. Sometimes it's a guest who's been through a pivot of their own: a career change, a move, a divorce, a diagnosis, a business that failed or a business that finally worked. We ask real questions, we listen, and we share what helped — including the yoga and m